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Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Mo 26. Mai 2014, 21:06
von papache
Hi,

How many players here will go on with the new online server ? On JWO we may expect 5 I guess...

Isn't it time to define a central place for all the remaining players in the world ? I think more about a common one rather than a unique one, as the langage barrier can be a problem for some player (so it's probably good to keep as well specific french/german/english/... places).

Apart from the tournaments, we used to maintain on JWO a "friendly matchs contest" and a monthly Elo ranking : I am keen to continue to manage them and post them in other forums than JWO, but it would good to include more players in one way or another (the ranking wouldn't make sense anymore with only 5 players, for instance...).

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Mo 26. Mai 2014, 22:02
von datschge
I plan to turn this place into the definitive place for PES Wii, more about that later.

Can you imagine managing a French part on this forum? The way I'm planning to change this site may allow us to keep track of all matches played on wiimmfi (unfortunately without results and statistics, as that is P2P only). This would e.g. make keeping a live ELO rating easier.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Di 27. Mai 2014, 14:43
von papache
datschge hat geschrieben:I plan to turn this place into the definitive place for PES Wii, more about that later.

Can you imagine managing a French part on this forum?
Sure...

However, my concern is : how to centrally manage some stuff (which looks necessary if one want to maintain a critical mass of players) without killing the activity on the satellite places.

I mean, I'm not sure that all french players will completely switch to pes-up.de, even those who want to play with other players than french only.
datschge hat geschrieben:The way I'm planning to change this site may allow us to keep track of all matches played on wiimmfi (unfortunately without results and statistics, as that is P2P only). This would e.g. make keeping a live ELO rating easier.
Looks interesting. But for Elo, how can you do a live ranking if you can't get the scores from the server ?

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Di 27. Mai 2014, 15:26
von datschge
papache hat geschrieben:However, my concern is : how to centrally manage some stuff (which looks necessary if one want to maintain a critical mass of players) without killing the activity on the satellite places.

I mean, I'm not sure that all french players will completely switch to pes-up.de, even those who want to play with other players than french only.
Ideally all talks and discussion etc. would still happen on the respective local sites in the local languages. What I want to offer with pes-up is a direct extension of the game itself. If everything works out we could e.g. see who is online in the game atm without having to start the game ourselves. What I personally want to see is when someone was last online in the game. We could also offer automatically updated banners with stats, web widgets, personal game profile pages etc. pp. I intend to add much more Ajax so that it has less of the hassle of a message board.

Btw. I have installed the French language files for phpbb, and if you like you could translate the frontpage to French as well (just translated and added English finally).
papache hat geschrieben:Looks interesting. But for Elo, how can you do a live ranking if you can't get the scores from the server ?
The server would allow us to track who played against who at what time, of all matches played online (technically similar to MKW atm but more integrated). The actual score still need to be entered by one of the players, and I intend for the opponent to have to confirm the score for it to be officially registered. The Elo ratings could be recalculated whenever a new score is registered.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Do 26. Jun 2014, 22:13
von papache
datschge hat geschrieben:Ideally all talks and discussion etc. would still happen on the respective local sites in the local languages. What I want to offer with pes-up is a direct extension of the game itself. If everything works out we could e.g. see who is online in the game atm without having to start the game ourselves. What I personally want to see is when someone was last online in the game. We could also offer automatically updated banners with stats, web widgets, personal game profile pages etc. pp. I intend to add much more Ajax so that it has less of the hassle of a message board.
Sounds good.

However, what I'm really concerned with is a way to get closer between the handfuls of players that are left on the two forums. For instance I think we need to have a chat room with all the remaining players, so that it's easier to find an opponent when we are available. And once again I think that Skype is overall the best solution : we have been using it for a while on JWO, and we always prefered it to the various built-in chat boxes. The main advantage is that one can be notified with new messages while leaving it iconified, which is useful when one is available and waiting for opponents.
Btw. I have installed the French language files for phpbb, and if you like you could translate the frontpage to French as well (just translated and added English finally).
OK, what is the text to translate ?
The server would allow us to track who played against who at what time, of all matches played online (technically similar to wiimmfi.de/mkw but more integrated). The actual score still need to be entered by one of the players, and I intend for the opponent to have to confirm the score for it to be officially registered. The Elo ratings could be recalculated whenever a new score is registered.
Sounds good again. Can you get from the server the teams that are used and their rating (number of stars) ?

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 27. Jun 2014, 19:16
von datschge
papache hat geschrieben:However, what I'm really concerned with is a way to get closer between the handfuls of players that are left on the two forums. For instance I think we need to have a chat room with all the remaining players, so that it's easier to find an opponent when we are available. And once again I think that Skype is overall the best solution : we have been using it for a while on JWO, and we always prefered it to the various built-in chat boxes. The main advantage is that one can be notified with new messages while leaving it iconified, which is useful when one is available and waiting for opponents.
I'd like to realize such a notification without the need for additional software (aside the browser). It's pretty obvious by now that only Mario Kart and Smash Bros. have enough players for one to easily find other players at most times, so most other games would profit from such a notification.

I'm going to talk to Wiimm about that, but right now efforts are towards different areas: The server is not optimized yet, and we are looking into making it possible to allow matches across regions (the most PES13 players appear to be in South America).
OK, what is the text to translate ?
I'll send you a PM with the text.
Sounds good again. Can you get from the server the teams that are used and their rating (number of stars) ?
Unfortunately team selection is already part of the P2P data between the players, the server doesn't see any of such data. All the server can see is what players are online/idle, looking for a Free Match, or are currently in a room with another player playing a match. I hope to be able to extract more detailed information like when exactly a match started and tracking how long the players stay connected (to detect cases were one player prematurely disconnects/rage quits).

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 29. Aug 2014, 23:03
von papache
datschge hat geschrieben:I'm going to talk to Wiimm about that, but right now efforts are towards different areas: The server is not optimized yet, and we are looking into making it possible to allow matches across regions (the most PES13 players appear to be in South America).
I've installed a copy of PES 2013 NTSC : I could play online with another french player who also installed it. Next : check if I can play a free match with a south american player.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Sa 30. Aug 2014, 13:32
von datschge
I did the same with the WE10 Blue Samurai version once. The game is definitely playable, though the long distance causes some funky hick ups at times. Still hoping to be able to allow matches between regions without having to change game versions (adding friends from other regions already works after converting the FC, but matchmaking doesn't).

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Do 18. Sep 2014, 12:35
von papache
So...

Who is still active here ? Or at least, who is willing to go on playing online ? Would be a f**** pity if the activity would stop after all this work to re-enable the Wii online stuff :(

I have opened a new new topic to report friendly matchs : just fill it up !

And we are launching a tournament on JWO, season 20 championship : I expect 5 french players, maybe 6... Everybody is welcomed to register :
http://jeux-wii-online.forumgratuit.org ... istrations

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 19. Sep 2014, 14:38
von AnimaSurfer
Hi! Papache contact me and tell me about this place. It´s good to see that there are european players still active. I´m the former admin of peswiintsc, and online forum from America, it dies wen wii shot down the servers, but there are a few that kept playing. We use facebook and whatts app to contact with each other (it makes it a lot easier) we are around 10 active players. I think it´s a good idea to centralize all the remaining players from the world, at least with one internacional tournament or so at first :) . Keep wii alive bros B-)

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 19. Sep 2014, 19:35
von datschge
Hello AnimaSurfer, nice to hear from an NTSC player for once. Your region is by far the most active in PES13 Wii, I guess you know many (most?) NTSC/S3IE players from this list?

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 19. Sep 2014, 20:05
von AnimaSurfer
Hi datschge, thats right, I know (and play with) 10 from that list, there a few more that i recognice but i haven´t play with them. So? the NTSC world resumes to that list? You can look for us through facebook at facebook.com/groups/322760491164997/?fref=nf . Or whatts app if you like. We most try to centralize all the players, any ideas?

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Fr 19. Sep 2014, 21:50
von datschge
That list shows all PES13 players of all regions who played online on Wiimmfi in the past 1 1/2 months.

I've implemented the update server for all PES Wii versions in the last weeks and am currently working on making custom updates possible, so that squads can easily be updated for all players on Wiimmfi.

After that I intend to work on a central chat at wiimmfi.de where players can join and chat whenever they are playing online (without needing a separate login). That chat likely will be hosted elsewhere first as I'll need to convince Wiimm (the developer of Wiimmfi) of it first.

So when that's finished, once players go to wiimmfi.de to play and find a chat (which will works in all modern browsers without hassle) they can find new players much more easily than the indirect ways of communication used so far.

If you have other ideas that could help let me know. E.g. I'm considering tracking online times so that we can have a nice visual statistic at what time and on which day in the week other players are usually online.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Sa 20. Sep 2014, 00:50
von AnimaSurfer
I must say that´s huge improvement (even better than nintendo :p ) I will talk to the other and see if they have any ideas. If we can help you anyway just say it bro ;)

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: So 21. Sep 2014, 13:18
von papache
AnimaSurfer hat geschrieben:Hi! Papache contact me and tell me about this place. It´s good to see that there are european players still active. I´m the former admin of peswiintsc, and online forum from America, it dies wen wii shot down the servers, but there are a few that kept playing. We use facebook and whatts app to contact with each other (it makes it a lot easier) we are around 10 active players. I think it´s a good idea to centralize all the remaining players from the world, at least with one internacional tournament or so at first :) . Keep wii alive bros B-)
Hi !

Good to hear from the America's ;) ! I am the main admin of the JWO forum. In the past we played a few tournaments between peswiintsc and JWO. JWO has not yet died, but only a handful of players remain.

When I talk about a central place, I am actually thinking about two different things :

1) a live chat or whatever similar where one could easily talk to other players, find opponents, etc...

Historically, the members of pes-up.de are using a built-in chatbox, the JWO members are on Skype, and the peswiintsc members were using a built-in chatbox and have now switched to facebook/whatsapp. It appears to be very difficult to get all the players on a common chat system, as some won't like facebook (or won't like exposing their true identity), some won't like Skype, or some won't like the built-in boxes...

Maybe the project of dastchge of a new central chat will be the solution. Let's wait for it and see...

2) a convenient place to build up a community around PES, with the match results, tournament's pages, rankings, etc... For this, a forum like pes-up.de looks the best solution.

For instance, on JWO we have been publishing a monthly Elo Ranking for almost 3 years :
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... id=2#gid=2
http://jeux-wii-online.forumgratuit.org ... sement-pes
This ranking is fed by all the matchs played and reported on the forum (either friendly matchs or tournaments) . It's a kind of fun, as we are always trying to rise in the ranking by plying (and winning !) matches... Of course with only 5 players this ranking is currently less attractive. If some matches were reported on pes-up.de I could include more players in the ranking (at the moment I use only the matches reported on JWO), and publish it here as well.

So I encourage all the NTSC players to register here, report matchs, etc, in order to have an active central community... There are already sections for french-speaking, english speaking, there could be a spanish-speaking section if needed. This doesn't mean that they have to give up on Facebook/whatsapp/whatever : the usage will just be different.

Playing between Americas and Europe is not always easy because of the jet lag, but many of us are playing late in the night, at times where many NTSC players are online.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: So 21. Sep 2014, 21:56
von datschge
Wiimm has updated the game stats page to include the FC, so I changed the list to include that as well from now on.

Re: Central Place for all remaining PES players ?

Verfasst: Mo 22. Sep 2014, 09:49
von papache
datschge hat geschrieben:Wiimm has updated the game stats page to include the FC, so I changed the list to include that as well from now on.
Excellent !